[elm-discuss] New guidelines for posting on Elm-discuss

LGTM â

One thing that trips me up is deciding where to post what.

Slack/Reddit/elm-discuss/elm-dev are all super helpful (and Twitter sometimes), but I hit decision fatigue trying to decide which medium to reach for on a case-by-case basisâI suspect I'm not the only one.

The community page <http://elm-lang.org/community> briefly describes the options, but doesn't really emphasize any one over the other.

There is some direction in a recent post <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/elm-discuss/rg3fzdyG_VU/mBPkYxobFAAJ> from Evan suggesting that we use Reddit more. What is the general mood on that?

IMO â if there was stronger up-front guidance/clarity on this I think it would be helpful for me and other newcomers.

Dustin

Post by Noah Hall
Hi folks,
We've come up with some new rules for posting on elm-discuss. You can see them here <https://github.com/elm-community/discussions/blob/master/elm-discuss.md>. The goal is to have a healthier, happier mailing list, with more people feeling like they want to take part.
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John Orford

2017-05-05 08:02:04 UTC

I love your work Noah and appreciate the sentiment.

But... I think elm-discuss is quite nice.

I haven't seen anything egregious, and rather free form discussion rather
than pointing people to the rule book every once in a while.

From my POV almost everyone comes with the right attitude here.

Post by Noah Hall
Hi folks,
We've come up with some new rules for posting on elm-discuss. You can see
them here
<https://github.com/elm-community/discussions/blob/master/elm-discuss.md>.
The goal is to have a healthier, happier mailing list, with more people
feeling like they want to take part.
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Noah Hall

2017-05-05 09:29:21 UTC

Hi Dustin,

Regarding where to post, my personal recommendation is to choose Slack
first. It has the largest community and problems get answered very
quickly. People will also direct you to the right place if you're not
sure. Regarding guidelines, we have discussed this quite a bit, and
this post is the first step in that direction.

Hi John,

This post aims to address problems faced by other members of the
community which made them feel unwelcome. In particular:

- People being aggressive/demanding/generally not nice
- People posting too much info and/or sidetracking discussions

These guidelines are intended to set out the correct things to post
here, and the correct way to post here. Now nobody should be surprised
if they are banned for personal attacks, or if a thread gets locked
when it gets too far off track.

The goal is to have a discussion forum that everyone feels they can
take part in.

Post by John Orford
I love your work Noah and appreciate the sentiment.
But... I think elm-discuss is quite nice.
I haven't seen anything egregious, and rather free form discussion rather
than pointing people to the rule book every once in a while.
From my POV almost everyone comes with the right attitude here.

Post by Noah Hall
Hi folks,
We've come up with some new rules for posting on elm-discuss. You can see
them here. The goal is to have a healthier, happier mailing list, with more
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Mark Marlow

2017-05-06 01:01:42 UTC

John,

I tend to agree that the discourse isn't a problem. However, one can't help but notice that there is a perception of hostility in this community, e.g.

https://elixirforum.com/t/front-end-development-options-2017/3832/2

The standard you walk past is the standard you accept, and we all need to take ownership of the community we're a part of.

Noah, thanks for pulling this together and hope this is a first step in improving our community.

M

John Orford

2017-05-06 01:37:11 UTC

I remember reading that post from Overmind and thinking it v odd.

Maybe I am blind or have rose coloured glasses.

Unsure whether Noah's rule book will help or hinder. But good that he cares.

Post by Mark Marlow
John,
I tend to agree that the discourse isn't a problem. However, one can't
help but notice that there is a perception of hostility in this community,
e.g.
https://elixirforum.com/t/front-end-development-options-2017/3832/2
The standard you walk past is the standard you accept, and we all need to
take ownership of the community we're a part of.
Noah, thanks for pulling this together and hope this is a first step in
improving our community.
M
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Noah Hall

2017-05-06 08:25:06 UTC

For contrast, consider the Elm community on Slack. Friendly and
welcoming, all kinds of questions get answered. Here, flamewars and
personal attacks happen far too often, and it's really giving Elm a
bad name, despite being a minority of people.

Post by John Orford
I remember reading that post from Overmind and thinking it v odd.
Maybe I am blind or have rose coloured glasses.
Unsure whether Noah's rule book will help or hinder. But good that he cares.

Dave Rapin

2017-05-07 05:06:14 UTC

The problem with slack is that discussions are lost after you hit their
limit (which wasn't terribly high last time I checked). So instead of
finding / googling for an answer / question that had previously been
covered, you must ask again, which is of course async and therefor more
time consuming.

I don't mean to seem anti-social, but if I'm in the middle of solving a
problem and run into an issue, I reach for Google way before I'd post on
Slack. Slack just feels like a black hole where information goes to die.

Post by Noah Hall
For contrast, consider the Elm community on Slack. Friendly and
welcoming, all kinds of questions get answered. Here, flamewars and
personal attacks happen far too often, and it's really giving Elm a
bad name, despite being a minority of people.

cares.

Post by Mark Marlow
John,
I tend to agree that the discourse isn't a problem. However, one can't
help but notice that there is a perception of hostility in this

community,

Post by Mark Marlow
e.g.
https://elixirforum.com/t/front-end-development-options-2017/3832/2
The standard you walk past is the standard you accept, and we all need

Post by Mark Marlow
take ownership of the community we're a part of.
Noah, thanks for pulling this together and hope this is a first step in
improving our community.
M
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Dave Rapin

2017-05-07 05:10:15 UTC

Just found out about https://elmlang.slackarchive.io so this is potentially
a non-issue.

Post by Dave Rapin
The problem with slack is that discussions are lost after you hit their
limit (which wasn't terribly high last time I checked). So instead of
finding / googling for an answer / question that had previously been
covered, you must ask again, which is of course async and therefor more
time consuming.
I don't mean to seem anti-social, but if I'm in the middle of solving a
problem and run into an issue, I reach for Google way before I'd post on
Slack. Slack just feels like a black hole where information goes to die.

cares.

Post by Mark Marlow
John,
I tend to agree that the discourse isn't a problem. However, one can't
help but notice that there is a perception of hostility in this

community,

Post by Mark Marlow
e.g.
https://elixirforum.com/t/front-end-development-options-2017/3832/2
The standard you walk past is the standard you accept, and we all need

Post by Mark Marlow
take ownership of the community we're a part of.
Noah, thanks for pulling this together and hope this is a first step

Post by Mark Marlow
improving our community.
M
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Rex van der Spuy

2017-05-07 11:29:31 UTC

Noah Hall

2017-05-07 11:42:45 UTC

Please move this discussion to another thread.

Post by Dave Rapin
The problem with slack is that discussions are lost after you hit their
limit (which wasn't terribly high last time I checked). So instead of
finding / googling for an answer / question that had previously been
covered, you must ask again, which is of course async and therefor more time
consuming.
I don't mean to seem anti-social, but if I'm in the middle of solving a
problem and run into an issue, I reach for Google way before I'd post on
Slack. Slack just feels like a black hole where information goes to die.

I agree 100%.
The other problem is that there are so many channels that you never know
where to post your question.
And, you have to hope there is someone online at that very moment with the
skills or interest to help you, otherwise your question scrolls away into
eternity.
So far, I've found Reddit to be the best forum for Elm Q&A - questions
always net some big fish and petty quibbles get down-voted out of the way.
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Erik Lott

2017-05-07 13:17:12 UTC

Noah, a general code of conduct is a great idea, even if nothing other than
to point at if a sensitive topic begins to get heated. Great job bud.

I tend to have the same opinion of Slack (we use it in house). Slack is an
indispensable collaboration tool, but it makes a less than perfect message
board - everything being so ephemeral. I think this is why most communities
tend to have both. They're both solid tools for their intended usage.

Keep it up!

Post by Noah Hall
Please move this discussion to another thread.

time

Post by Dave Rapin
consuming.
I don't mean to seem anti-social, but if I'm in the middle of solving a
problem and run into an issue, I reach for Google way before I'd post